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== Go to user talk when reverting pending changes ==
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When a page is reverted with the pending changes "Revert changes" button, Twinkle should give a nice link to go to the user's talk page with the page name pre-filled, like it does when "real" rollback is used. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 04:35, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'll look into this. I only have reviewer rights on testwiki, so I hope our setup is not too different. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 02:17, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jackmcbarn}} Hm, I'm not quite sure what you are referring to here. When I clicked "Reject changes" I seemed to get sent back to the article itself. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 06:14, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:::A link from the confirmation page, I mean. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 23:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Being hopelessly inexperienced with Pending Changes, I will need step-by-step instructions of every click you are making :) — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 02:52, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::[[File:Talk page link on pending changes revert screen.png]] [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 18:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::So you want to see a talk page link even before you have made the revert? That seems like a strange order in which to do things. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 06:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Yes. I know that's kind of strange, but after the revert is made, there's nowhere to put the talk page link. The other alternative is to make the user's talk page pop open in a new window after the revert, the way that it does when you use Twinkle's own rollback to revert someone. [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 13:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Jackmcbarn}} Sorry Jack, I missed your reply. Yes, a popup wouldn't be a bad idea, although I'm hesitant to add another one. I'll see what is possible here and think about the best way to implement it. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 07:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
::Threadcromancy, but I would suggest using [[WP:POPUPS|popups]] to direct you quickly to their user talk page. You'll have to copy the page name manually, but it's nonetheless faster than clicking and clicking repeatedly. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User_talk:K6ka#|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]])  22:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to see the vandal's talk page, but I would like this bot to automatically create a talk page for the vandal, if necessary, and post a notice on the vandal's talk page that they did something offensive. In my recent use of this bot, no notice was posted on the vandal's talk page; apparently because there was no existing talk page for the vandal. - [[User:Ac44ck|Ac44ck]] ([[User talk:Ac44ck|talk]]) 19:11, 3 May 2014 (UTC)



== Stuff ==

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...for lack of a better heading.

* The preferences panel at [[Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences]] nowhere states that twinkle preferences are actually stored on a wiki page, and are hence public (unlike the mediawiki preferences). A js-savvy user could easily understand what they mean (and even a not-so-savvy user could copy-paste someone else's preferences and then go to the twinkle preferences panel). Also, the page doesn't mention that the prefs will be released under the default wikipedia license. (Not sure if there's a copyright/privacy violation in there anywhere, but you might want to look into this.)
* Someone might want to take a look at [https://github.com/Siddhartha-Ghai/twinkle/commit/98ffd2baf716f17aa187528e3721dc83e0972717 this commit I did downstream back in 2012]. It includes a function to softcode namespace names in regex creation for the unlink tool in morebits.js. Devs may want to properly implement that upstream. The benefit would be that the regex would work on any wikipedia without problem.
* There's a script at [[:hi:User:Siddhartha Ghai/twinkle.js]] which loads for me a personal version of twinkle from various user subpages. The only difference from the gadget version is that the header and footer have been kept separate. Devs might want to consider separating them again since using this script, changes in one module can be tested easily with the other live modules (i.e copy one module to your userspace, make some changes, use [[:hi:User:Siddhartha Ghai/twinkle.js]] to load the default gadget, only replacing the changed module with the userspace subpage instead of the mediawiki page) and you can test the changes live!
* Over the past 1.5 months I've done a lot of updates to the gadget at hi.wp (stuff dating from May 2012 to October 2013). I'm just giving a heads up since I may have to take a long wikibreak and if the gadget breaks there, someone might complain here. Anything that was implemented after mid-October hasn't been implemented there (including the mediawiki js deprecations removal)
* Oh, and it seems that Jimbo [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Jimbo_Wales&offset=20140412223141&limit=3&target=Jimbo+Wales uses] Twinkle too, in case any of the devs ever want to do an April Fool's prank for users in the founder group ;) --[[User:Siddhartha Ghai|Siddhartha Ghai]] ([[User talk:Siddhartha Ghai|talk]]) 16:14, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

:Wow, even Jimbo Wales uses Twinkle? Man, this is just reason enough to get all autoconfirmed users in good standing to get Twinkle, even if they're not planning on using it often. It's just an awesome tool. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User_talk:K6ka#|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]])  21:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
::I'm considering adding a line to the top of the preferences panel saying "Note that your preferences will be released publicly as JavaScript code in [[Special:MyPage/twinkleoptions.js|a subpage of your user page.]]" Thoughts? <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<span style="color:green">E'''man'''</span><span style="color:#6643d1">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<span style="color:brown">''talk''</span>]]</span> 06:01, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::If you really want to do it, perhaps something less technical would be better: "Note that your preferences are stored in ([[Special:MyPage/twinkleoptions.js|a subpage of your user page]]). Only you (and [[WP:ADMIN|Wikipedia administrators]]) can modify your preferences, but the settings you choose are visible to everyone." — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 12:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::::<strike>And now the {{[[template:-|-]]}} is boggling me. If this note is going to be put in I don't think I can do it. {{smiley|8}}</strike> <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 00:38, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
::::<small>*slaps self*</small> never mind, figured it out. I made a slight change to the wording mention that it ''is'' JavaScript, not blatant text -- dunno what you think of that -- but yes, item one in this list is amended, kind of. <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 00:48, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

== Custom tags for non-article namespace ==
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Is there a way to make custom tags (such as I use on [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus/twinkleoptions.js]]) appear in the Twinkle menu even in non-Main namespaces? Such as File.[[meta:User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 16:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
* Pinging {{replyto|MusikAnimal}} so that this doesn't get lost.[[meta:User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 14:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
*:Sorry, I'll look into this when I can, got a backlog of other work to take care of first. I've instructed the bot not to archive this thread. Best <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 15:36, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== Children's personal info ==
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The emerging consensus of [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#New G Criteria: Personal information of Minors|this discussion]] at [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion]] is that kids' personal information needs to be oversighted. I'm sure I'm not the only editor who has viewed this material in terms of deletion (U5, A7, G11, G10) in the past.
Could we have another option on Twinkle's CSD menu to handle this properly by initiating an oversight request, [[Special:EmailUser/Oversight]], pre-populated along the lines of "Child's personal info at ''articlename''"? Thanks, [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 10:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Please, please, please! [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 12:43, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

: +1. Lowering the action threshold for this is a big win in terms of ensuring that issues like this get dealt with not by shining a huge spotlight on it (as there are several known cases of nominating for CSD immediately triggering bots to scrape the data and store it on one of numerous SpeedyDeletion wikis) but to make it easier to privately request oversight is a big win. [[User:Hasteur|Hasteur]] ([[User talk:Hasteur|talk]]) 12:59, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

*+1 but not limited to child personal data. Twinkle should offer an "email oversight" tab that contains common reasons for oversight or allows entering a custom reason. Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="color: #7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color: #474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]]''' 12:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

*'''Support''' offering Twinkle-users a clear and simple way to report stuff which needs to be oversighted. If Oversighters find they are getting sent too many reports for non-oversight-worthy content, then the documentation at Twinkle can be fine-tuned to clarify what does and doesn't need to be reported. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 13:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
*There should be language to specify content needs to be removed '''before''' oversight is contacted. I'll save everyone my rant about how much content that should be rev del'd or oversight gets through NPP, but the goal should be to hide the content from the general public as quickly as possible, which requires the editor remove it before waiting what can be hours before an oversighter responds. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 13:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
::Just blank the personal details on sight, that should remove them from view and hide them from most of the general public and scrappers, who don't know enough to look in the page history, up until the Oversighter fully blocks them. [[User:Diego Moya|Diego]] ([[User talk:Diego Moya|talk]]) 14:04, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Yes. I know: I'm saying Twinkle should make that clear. A lot of people don't know that, though, so education is key here. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 14:21, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''', streamlining the processing of content that needs to be removed for BLP reasons is a good thing. [[User:Diego Moya|Diego]] ([[User talk:Diego Moya|talk]]) 14:04, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above, but the Oversight team should be made aware of this discussion as this will probably lead to a significant increase in requests and associated decrease in response time, perhaps to unacceptable levels. We may need more oversighters. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Train2104|Train2104]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Train2104|t]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Train2104|c]]) 14:18, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This seems like a very valuable use of the developers' time, for the reasons above. [[User_talk:M.R.Forrester|Matt's talk]] 19:05, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Including {{noping|Primefac}}'s RevDel option below.  - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 01:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Good idea. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 03:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

===Revdel?===
Can we add in revdel support as well? I completely understand the importance of a subtle oversight, but revdel is just as important and Twinkle could make such a task much easier. I hate to piggyback on a somewhat-separate topic, but it's been propose three times now with zero comments from others. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 01:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
*Yes. Yes. 1000x Yes. For all the reasons I noted above. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 03:02, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 03:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
*Strong support for both - the average editor doesn't need to concern himself with the differences between oversight and revdel. I've been at this near 6 years and I'm not sure which is appropriate when, mainly because I don't need to be. Editing school articles primarily as I do, I come across "Tammy Foo is a slut" or "Bill Foo has a huge cock" almost daily. Making a revdel request easier would be a blessing. [[User:John from Idegon|John from Idegon]] ([[User talk:John from Idegon|talk]]) 15:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support both''' - I've had to mosey over to IRC I believe four times in the past two days over these types of things. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 10:46, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support both''' - I've had to google "copyvio revdel template" far too many times now. Gone shall be those days. 100% support from my side. [[User:Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#0b6e25">Jiten Dhandha</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#e71d1d"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#0017ff">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 11:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
**{{ping|Timothyjosephwood|Jiten Dhandha}} it's not perfect, but until the above gets implemented I've written up [[User:Primefac/revdel.js]]. Just add {{nowrap|<code><nowiki>importScript('User:Primefac/revdel.js'); // Linkback: [[User:Primefac/revdel.js]]</nowiki></code>}} to your common/vector/etc. Should help with that pesky "what's the code" issue. Let me know if there are any major issues, or other ways I could improve it further. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 16:21, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:::<small>There is absolutely no way I'm going to figure out how to do that without accidentally deleting my entire account. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 16:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</small>
::::{{replyto|Timothyjosephwood}} Click this link: [[Special:Mypage/common.js]] > (Create the page if not already existent) > Edit page > Copy code exactly the way Primefac mentioned in the comment above > Hit "Save changes" and voila! :P [[User:Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#0b6e25">Jiten Dhandha</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#e71d1d"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#0017ff">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 16:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Jiten Dhandha}}, TJW doesn't ''have'' a [[User:Timothyjosephwood/common.js|common.js]] ;) [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 17:16, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Primefac}} I havent tested it yet, but I did add the code to my common.js. The prompts look simple and neat so there's no issue there (I see that only 4 ranges are allowed at max, which isnt an issue since I've never come across an article needed more than that). Now to see if it actually works when I come across an article with copyvio issues. Also, thanks for taking the time out to write the script! [[User:Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#0b6e25">Jiten Dhandha</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#e71d1d"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Jiten Dhandha|<span style="color:#0017ff">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 16:43, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Function to set up auto archiving on talk pages ==

It would be really helpful if the TW dropdown showed an option for setting up auto-archiving (AA?) on talk pages. The template [[Template:Setup auto archiving]] already exists, so it would be as easy as taking input for the age, size, notice, and talk options, and substituting the template at the top of the talk page with those options. <span class="nowrap">[[user talk:( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡o)|( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡o)]] <span title="Call me ''Wink Guy'' if you'd prefer" style="border-bottom:1px dotted">?</span></span> 15:29, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
:I don't think that's really within the scope of Twinkle. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:13, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
::{{bcc|Izno}}Why wouldn't it be? Twinkle is for common maintenance tasks, right? <span class="nowrap">[[user talk:( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡o)|( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡o)]] <span title="Call me ''Wink Guy'' if you'd prefer" style="border-bottom:1px dotted">?</span></span> 16:34, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
:::The number of high volume pages that need archiving is relatively small, it only needs to be done once per page, and is dead simple to do manually. Compare that with the other common Twinkle tasks, such as fighting vandalism (which needs to be done thousands of times a day and requires editing both the page in question and the user's talk page) or things like nominating pages for deletion (which requires editing the article in question, the talk page of the page creator, creating a deletion nomination, and transcluding that nomination onto the appropriate AfD page). --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00f;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-0.3em;line-height:1;font-size:50%;text-align:center;"><b>TALK<br />PAGE</b></span>]]) 17:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
:::In general, Twinkle is a "protect the Wikipedia" tool and not so much a "maintain the Wikipedia" tool. Maybe that line in the documentation should change. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

== Minor changes in the username template  ==

I have made a minor change in the {{tlxs|uw-username}} template. I have just added the header "Please consider changing your username", so that the brand new users may perceive Wikipedia as a friendly place, Regards. [[User:Anoptimistix|Anoptimistix]] ([[User talk:Anoptimistix|talk]]) 06:06, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
: That is not a minor change. I have reverted it. Twinkle adds warning templates under a heading. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 06:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

== Keeps breaking templates when nominating templates for [[WP:TFD]] ==

Is it possible for Twinkle to insert a line break between the {{Tl|Template for discussion}} template when tagging a template? I've already had to correct about 4 templates with this issue since placing {{Tl|Template for discussion}} without a line break broke the coding of the templates since the templates started with a <code><nowiki>{|</nowiki></code>. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 19:56, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
:Yes please, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGlock_pistols&type=revision&diff=802820144&oldid=802819188 example]  - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 20:10, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
:I brought this up [[Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle/Archive_39#TfD:_garbled_templates|two months ago]], without much effect. Just noting that the tfd notice normally shouldn't end with a newline as this would wreak havoc on articles that use inline templates (unless more of the editors nominating them had the common sense of noincluding the notice in these cases, I had actually proposed this to be included in the TfD instructions but the proposal didn't go down well). Of course, the issue wouldn't arise if nominators actually had a look at a template after nominating it for deletion, that's not too much to ask for, I had asked our most prolific nominator several times, and again there has not been any observable effect. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala]] 20:31, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
::If Twinkle made a check to see if the template starts with <code><nowiki>{|</nowiki></code> and then adds a line break only when that is the case, should be doable, I'd think. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:38, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
::That, and I'd say the more times this is brought up, the more likely it will get resolved. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
:::{{tq|if the template starts with <code><nowiki>{|</nowiki></code>}}... or with any wikiformatting that expects a newline, like headings or bullets. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala]] 21:04, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

== plug ==

I am looking for a new log to be added to Twinkle, [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#New_Twinkle_Log]]. [[User talk:A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver|<span style="color:blue;">''Dysklyver''</span>]] 15:55, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

== XFD 2nd nomination ==

If Twinkle knows enough to append "(2nd nomination)" on an XFD title, how hard can it be to warn the user about the first nomination in nice big red letters? Yes, I should have checked the article talk page first. I do hardly any AfDs and I forgot to do that. Now I've got egg on face and cost other editors some time !voting in and closing a pointless redundant AfD, a couple of days after the first nomination failed. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 19:45, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
: you can just speedy close it if that happens. [[User talk:A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver|<span style="color:blue;">''Dysklyver''</span>]] 20:06, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
::Yeah, if I cared to study how to do that correctly so as to avoid more egg on more face and more disruption. And then delete the template from the article, and any other cleanup that might be required. Repeat forever for other users making the same human mistake. Or, Twinkle could just display a warning in nice big red letters. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 20:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
:::you need XFDcloser, it one click closes AfD's like how twinkle opens them. [[User talk:A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver|<span style="color:blue;">''Dysklyver''</span>]] 20:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Yeah, or Twinkle could just display a warning in nice big red letters. LOL. Sheesh. Which is better, (1) a solution that requires one to enable and learn to use a new tool, which they find out about only after having made the mistake once (if someone like you happens to mention it to them), or (2) one that avoids the need for said tool by the display of a simple warning message and requires nothing of the user except the ability to read English and the knowledge of what "prior nomination" means? &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 20:36, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

:::::I dunno, I think most people would argue that checking for a prior nomination is a requisite [[WP:BEFORE]] action, and that if you haven't gone through the article history you shouldn't be nominating it at all anyway. [[User talk:A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver|<span style="color:blue;">''Dysklyver''</span>]] 21:13, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::You've made your point, {{u|A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver|Dysklyver}}. Drop the stick. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)